Comments on: UPDATED: Comparing Death Rates from Mass Public Shootings and Mass Public Violence in the US and Europe https://crimeresearch.org/2015/06/comparing-death-rates-from-mass-public-shootings-in-the-us-and-europe/ Crime Prevention Research Center conducts research on laws regulating the ownership or use of guns, crime, and public safety. Fri, 06 Aug 2021 19:36:58 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=5.1.11 By: Skeptical Realist https://crimeresearch.org/2015/06/comparing-death-rates-from-mass-public-shootings-in-the-us-and-europe/#comment-87568 Fri, 12 Mar 2021 16:23:03 +0000 http://crimeresearch.org/?p=6148#comment-87568 edit “you’re intractable” should be “your intractable.”

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By: Skeptical Realist https://crimeresearch.org/2015/06/comparing-death-rates-from-mass-public-shootings-in-the-us-and-europe/#comment-87567 Fri, 12 Mar 2021 16:21:40 +0000 http://crimeresearch.org/?p=6148#comment-87567 You’ve just proven you’re intractable arrogance and ignorance.

Dr. Lott is comparing statistics on a specific type of shooting, mass public shootings. So there is no misrepresentation. You just don’t like the facts.

You object to including Norway’s mass shooting because it is the only one and so skews the statistics there, huh? It is perfectly honest and valid. No? How many mass shootings have there been in Connecticut? Are you going to throw that one (Newtown) out too?

Statistics comparing per capita rates are valid across nations or states of different populations. It’s why they are done per capita. If you read the article, you’d see that the mass shooting rates are compared for individual U.S. states, as well as the entire EU, and individual European nations. All the data is there for you to see. You just don’t like it. But you’ve embarrassed yourself by trying to smear one of the most honest and rigorous economists who has looked at the issues involving murder rates and firearm laws.

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By: Cwoo83 https://crimeresearch.org/2015/06/comparing-death-rates-from-mass-public-shootings-in-the-us-and-europe/#comment-65134 Fri, 16 Aug 2019 02:46:36 +0000 http://crimeresearch.org/?p=6148#comment-65134 Of course its compared to a US state. DO YOU KNOW the significance of per capita data? It compares BY POPULATION. That doesn’t distort the data in any way shape or form. In fact it makes the data even more clear.

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By: Tom DOOLEY https://crimeresearch.org/2015/06/comparing-death-rates-from-mass-public-shootings-in-the-us-and-europe/#comment-64753 Thu, 08 Aug 2019 13:44:37 +0000 http://crimeresearch.org/?p=6148#comment-64753 Norway has a population the size of New York City, Chad. This is why you perform multiple comparisons. Because it is important to observe the data fully, fairly, and reasonably, in formats the talking heads will not provide for you they do not fit the pre-determined narrative.

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By: DimitrisR https://crimeresearch.org/2015/06/comparing-death-rates-from-mass-public-shootings-in-the-us-and-europe/#comment-64614 Mon, 05 Aug 2019 16:07:49 +0000 http://crimeresearch.org/?p=6148#comment-64614 I stambled across a reference to this study in a website and all I have to say is that it is misleading at best.

Let’s check the statistics just for Norway: From 2009 to 2015, there were two attacks in Norway, which both happened in 22th of July in 2011 by the same far-right terrorist (Anders Behring Breivik). Only one of the attacks qualifies as a “mass shooting” (the other one was a car bomb explosion), in which 67 people were killed by gunfire.

Now, in order to compute the “Annual Death Rate” for Norway, all we have to do is take the death toll of that single mass shooting, which is 67, divide it by Norway’s population in millions, which is roughly 5.2 and then divide it by 7 (number of years between 2009 and 2015): 67/(5.2*7) ~ 1.84 or roughly the number the study found (1.888).

Afterwards, let’s also compute the “Frequency of Mass Public Shootings” for Norway. The task is simpler now; we just divide 1 (occurrence) by 5.2 (population in millions): 1/5.2 ~ 0.192, again roughly the number given by the study (0.197).

The small difference between what I found and what the study found is because I used a rough estimate of the population, while the study probably used the exact population for each year. It is very safe to say that the “statistics” for other countries were calculated in a very similar manner,

I believe that this demonstrates how -with the use of creative statistics- one can portray just a single occurrence as a more frequent phenomenon than all the events listed here (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_mass_shootings_in_the_United_States_in_2019). The trick is to -act as if you- ignore any and all geopolitical aspects (the term “mass shootings” is not used often in Europe), trends (there have not been any other mass shootings in Norway since 2011) and the multitude of the definitions of “mass shootings” (which is a relatively new concept to name a phenomenon which would otherwise be labelled either as “murders” or as “terrorism”), while also making use of the optimal years and countries* which can support the narrative.

*Fun thing to note is that the statistics were almost bound to look like this, considering that if you add up the populations of 15 countries in the list (excluding USA, Russia and Germany), what you get is roughly 305 million, which is less than the total US population. The method is hugely biased in favor of countries with large populations and actually manages to show a very alarming trend (!) for the USA, since it is the one with the single biggest population and finds itself in the middle of the list.

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By: JT https://crimeresearch.org/2015/06/comparing-death-rates-from-mass-public-shootings-in-the-us-and-europe/#comment-64597 Mon, 05 Aug 2019 06:32:04 +0000 http://crimeresearch.org/?p=6148#comment-64597 But that wouldn’t help the skewed point the author is trying to make.

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By: Fab https://crimeresearch.org/2015/06/comparing-death-rates-from-mass-public-shootings-in-the-us-and-europe/#comment-63574 Mon, 15 Jul 2019 10:53:32 +0000 http://crimeresearch.org/?p=6148#comment-63574 But it happened, hoping something better for the next one.

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By: BlueCat49 https://crimeresearch.org/2015/06/comparing-death-rates-from-mass-public-shootings-in-the-us-and-europe/#comment-62432 Sun, 16 Jun 2019 13:27:29 +0000 http://crimeresearch.org/?p=6148#comment-62432 And I keep recommending Switzerland as a travel destination because it is so safe.

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By: Leo https://crimeresearch.org/2015/06/comparing-death-rates-from-mass-public-shootings-in-the-us-and-europe/#comment-61853 Mon, 03 Jun 2019 13:40:51 +0000 http://crimeresearch.org/?p=6148#comment-61853 Why is that? Was it mass shooting or not? Besides, sooner or later another lunatic will show up with the gun and start shooting UNARMED DEFENSELESS folks.

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By: Nick https://crimeresearch.org/2015/06/comparing-death-rates-from-mass-public-shootings-in-the-us-and-europe/#comment-61559 Tue, 28 May 2019 07:29:18 +0000 http://crimeresearch.org/?p=6148#comment-61559 Sad report 🙁

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